Sunday, July 17, 2005
(Attraction) Reversing the cycle
This post is from a year ago by Alessandro, in response to a post by goldenboy on mASF
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| topic: | Re: 6 day to expand toolbox and really start sarging (2 of 4), Read 619 times |
| board: | >> Missions |
| from: | Alessandro (first login: November, 30, 2001 05:27 PM) |
| date: | Friday, October 15, 2004 04:57 PM |
goldenboy wrote:
> Hey guys,
> I've spend the last couple of weeks working through Thundercat's and Swingcat's
I came into contact with Swingcat's book a few months ago, and skimmed
through a few sections while at a friend's house. It has got to be one
of the most underrated works on PU, specially for experienced guys. The
core ideas are there in MrSex's archive and Rio's, but his take on the
ages old rocks-gold theory was very good. At least I thought he did
great explaining things.
> books and expanding my toolbox so that I can hold conversations longer than 3
> minutes where I only stack two or three openers.
Conversation is a funny thing. If you find yourself unable to say more
than a few things, or if you run out of steam after some time, that is
MAJOR sign of lack of confidence. There must be some primitive instinct
that forces us into silence when in the company of people we perceive to
be of higher "value" (whatever that maybe) than us. It is just our way
of saying "I can't top whatever you said".
I was talking to an ASF bro last weekend and he said he had nothing to
say. Well, guess what, talkative people don't usually have anything to
say either, they're just more forward about expressing their thoughts,
even if they have to sigh aloud "I AM BORED".
Low self-esteem people think they need to contribute postively to the
discussion; they value the interaction. While high-self esteem people
(not necessary intelligent) don't think that highly of talking to
others, and they don't feel obliged to keep up a good vibe so they end
up talking the whole time saying whatever shit that crosses their mind.
In turn, LSE people interpret the bluntness of the HSEs as a crack at
humor ("I can't believe he said that!") and find that admirable and
funny. The cycle continues, while one gains in social value, the other
feels ever more left out :-(
You can reverse this cycle, I did, just don't give a fuck.
> In 6 days there is a big college party again and that night I will field-test
> all the material I will have collected until then so that I can practice my
> delivery and going from one routine to another.
Personally, it takes me three nights to get back into PU shape: First
night, do nothing but comedy; games sets, make them laugh, drink, be the
life of the party. Second night, game hot chicks, get social proof, some
make outs. Third night, I tone it all down and approach maybe a girl or
two in the whole night, but it is very profitable.
Last week was supposed to be Night-1, but I quickly found myself getting
good again and I started getting make-outs right around midnight :-)
>
> As indicated above, it will be the first time that I'm doing more material than
> just stacking two or three openers, i.e. it is planned to be the beginning of a
> real PUA lifestyle where I go sarging multiple times a week and make the
> necessary adjustments all the time.
Good.
[snip]
> - 6 openers (Gay Opener, Hair Dye Opener, Are You Shy Opener [Swingcat],
> Cheating Roommate Opener [Swingcat], pervert opener [Swingcat], Marilyn Manson
> vs. Michael Jackson Opener [personal])
> - 2 storie (personal follow-up stories for Gay Opener and Hair Dye Opener, need
> to construct more follow-up stories)
> - cold-reading (have several examples in my personal archives)
> - 2 tests (Expanded Best Friends Test, Swingcat's adventurousness test [maybe
> not a test but it qualifies them)
> - 1 routine (Swingcat's kiss close routine)
>
> What do you think of my temporary and incomplete toolbox so far? Is it possible
> to say whether it's enough material to do predictable *-"closes"?
You wont need to talk that much just make out with chicks; it should be
easier if you STFU and just laughed at her, and asked her if she is a
Smurfette or some shit. Try it, you will see it's not so hard.
I've practiced this concept of 'not giving a fuck'. I like it, since I'm able to now say whatever comes to mind very quickly and feeling great about it.
This is a topic I'd like to keep on exploring, because it gives me a fresh breath of air.
> Hey guys,
> I've spend the last couple of weeks working through Thundercat's and Swingcat's
I came into contact with Swingcat's book a few months ago, and skimmed
through a few sections while at a friend's house. It has got to be one
of the most underrated works on PU, specially for experienced guys. The
core ideas are there in MrSex's archive and Rio's, but his take on the
ages old rocks-gold theory was very good. At least I thought he did
great explaining things.
> books and expanding my toolbox so that I can hold conversations longer than 3
> minutes where I only stack two or three openers.
Conversation is a funny thing. If you find yourself unable to say more
than a few things, or if you run out of steam after some time, that is
MAJOR sign of lack of confidence. There must be some primitive instinct
that forces us into silence when in the company of people we perceive to
be of higher "value" (whatever that maybe) than us. It is just our way
of saying "I can't top whatever you said".
I was talking to an ASF bro last weekend and he said he had nothing to
say. Well, guess what, talkative people don't usually have anything to
say either, they're just more forward about expressing their thoughts,
even if they have to sigh aloud "I AM BORED".
Low self-esteem people think they need to contribute postively to the
discussion; they value the interaction. While high-self esteem people
(not necessary intelligent) don't think that highly of talking to
others, and they don't feel obliged to keep up a good vibe so they end
up talking the whole time saying whatever shit that crosses their mind.
In turn, LSE people interpret the bluntness of the HSEs as a crack at
humor ("I can't believe he said that!") and find that admirable and
funny. The cycle continues, while one gains in social value, the other
feels ever more left out :-(
You can reverse this cycle, I did, just don't give a fuck.
> In 6 days there is a big college party again and that night I will field-test
> all the material I will have collected until then so that I can practice my
> delivery and going from one routine to another.
Personally, it takes me three nights to get back into PU shape: First
night, do nothing but comedy; games sets, make them laugh, drink, be the
life of the party. Second night, game hot chicks, get social proof, some
make outs. Third night, I tone it all down and approach maybe a girl or
two in the whole night, but it is very profitable.
Last week was supposed to be Night-1, but I quickly found myself getting
good again and I started getting make-outs right around midnight :-)
>
> As indicated above, it will be the first time that I'm doing more material than
> just stacking two or three openers, i.e. it is planned to be the beginning of a
> real PUA lifestyle where I go sarging multiple times a week and make the
> necessary adjustments all the time.
Good.
[snip]
> - 6 openers (Gay Opener, Hair Dye Opener, Are You Shy Opener [Swingcat],
> Cheating Roommate Opener [Swingcat], pervert opener [Swingcat], Marilyn Manson
> vs. Michael Jackson Opener [personal])
> - 2 storie (personal follow-up stories for Gay Opener and Hair Dye Opener, need
> to construct more follow-up stories)
> - cold-reading (have several examples in my personal archives)
> - 2 tests (Expanded Best Friends Test, Swingcat's adventurousness test [maybe
> not a test but it qualifies them)
> - 1 routine (Swingcat's kiss close routine)
>
> What do you think of my temporary and incomplete toolbox so far? Is it possible
> to say whether it's enough material to do predictable *-"closes"?
You wont need to talk that much just make out with chicks; it should be
easier if you STFU and just laughed at her, and asked her if she is a
Smurfette or some shit. Try it, you will see it's not so hard.
I've practiced this concept of 'not giving a fuck'. I like it, since I'm able to now say whatever comes to mind very quickly and feeling great about it.
This is a topic I'd like to keep on exploring, because it gives me a fresh breath of air.
# posted by TerreLite : 6:32 PM
